RADIOSeptember 12, 2024

The REAL reasons Springfield, Ohio, residents are concerned about Haitian migrants

What’s really happening in Springfield, Ohio? Are Haitian immigrants eating ducks, geese, and pet cats, as internet rumors have claimed? Glenn speaks with Blaze Media National Correspondent Julio Rosas, who traveled to Springfield to find the truth. He tells Glenn that while he can’t speak to how widespread the issue of missing pets and ducks is, it has been raised by citizens “for months.” However, that’s not the only thing. “ANY ISSUE that the residents have been raising over the 20,000 Haitians being put into their city…a lot of the residents feel that the city commission is just not listening to their problems, or they’re not willing to do anything about it because there is a lot of MONEY involved in the decision.” Julio describes what he heard from residents — women feeling unsafe, the city not enforcing fire codes, landlords renting out BEDS, not houses. Plus, he explains why some residents have either started to embrace the “new normal” or are afraid to speak out.

Transcript

Below is a rush transcript that may contain errors

GLENN: Julio now is at -- in Springfield, Ohio.

Talking about the Haitian influx. To see what's really going on. He's our national correspondent. Julio Rosas, welcome.

JULIO: Yeah. Glenn. Thanks for having me.

GLENN: You got there yesterday?

JULIO: I got there late Monday night.

GLENN: Okay. Okay. So what have you found on the ducks and the geese and everything else?

JULIO: Well, I can tell you that it is an issue, that has been raised to the city for -- for months -- months before this -- this got brought to the national attention, you know, last week and into this week.

You know, I can't speak to how widespread it is. But it's been enough of a problem that people have been saying, hey, you know -- like, we've been seeing this. Like, I've heard about this.

Can the city look into it? And from my understanding, not just the duck issue -- you know, the pet issue.

But overall, any issue, that residents have been raising over -- over the 20,000 Haitians being put into their city.

A lot of the residents feel that the city commission is just not listening to their problems, or they're unwilling to do anything about it because -- because there is a lot of money, being involved in decisions. Because, you know, they're -- these -- these Haitians, they have jobs. That's why they're able to be here legally. They have protected status.

GLENN: Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. They have jobs?

JULIO: Yes. That's --

GLENN: How did they do job placement for 15 or 20,000 Haitians?

JULIO: It's through a temp agency called First Literacy. It's based here in Springfield. And that's one of the tension points within the American citizens here. Is that everything seems to be revolved around accommodating the Haitians first. And the American citizens second.

And that's why they're upset at city commissions. Because the city commission appears that they want to make Springfield seem as accommodating as possible to the Haitian population.

Which includes, not towing cars of unlicensed drivers. Surrounding -- or, having to do that.

Because, you know, they're not very great drivers admittedly. It's called some people to be killed. There have been some accidents on the road. But Springfield in the past, have not been willing to toe their cars. Whenever there's an accident or whenever they're indicate driving recklessly. So that's one of the reasons why people no longer drive into Springfield.

I was in Fremont City, just five minutes to the North.

They no longer go to the Kroger or the Walmart in Springfield. They go to the cities up North to do the shopping. Because they say, even being on the road, it's too dangerous.

GLENN: I -- I've got to believe that a town that small. I mean, Kamala last night said, it was a mid-sized town.

No, it's not. That's -- 50,000 people is a small town in America. And I got to believe, you put 20,000 immigrants from anywhere, that are not, you know, looking to blend in. And be part of society.

I've got to believe, that has totally changed the culture. And if I were a resident, I would be pissed.

Who is the federal government to do this to my town?

Is that the feeling you're getting from people.

JULIO: Right. Yes. I was at the city -- so while most people were getting back from the debate last night, I was at the city commission meetings that they have.

And a few people spoke, to -- during the public comments portion, where one woman. She's 58. She's elderly. She lives on the south side of town. The south side of town is where most of the Haitians have been put. And are living at right now.

And she said, she doesn't even leave her house right now. Without her gun and her 120-pound pit bull. Because she has been followed. She has been groped by Haitians. She's been accosted verbally. And she said, I'm very worried about the women of this town, because they're very aggressive towards women. And it's -- and, you know, that was just one person. But there's a lot of -- you know, yes. The pet issue is one thing.

But even on the housing alone, what's been happening is that landlords have -- you know, you say you have a family of four. The landlords don't renew their lease with them.

And then they replace them with up to 15 Haitians.

They're not even renting.

They're not even renting the house.

They're renting -- they're charging them, I've been told, $200 a week for just the bed.

And it was explained to me, that the bed never gets cold because there's just a constant rotation of people that use it for those late hours.

Then they go to work. And then they come back, and it just starts all over again.

So you put -- you know, two sets of bunk beds in a room. That's six people. Right?

GLENN: That's the way it works in China.

JULIO: Yeah. Yeah. Can and so the landlords are getting a lot more money from this. And the city is not enforcing the fire code.

So that's a fire hazard.

When you have that many people, crammed into one -- you know, a two-bedroom, a one-bedroom place. And -- but you have 15 people inside. That's a fire hazard. But the city has refused to enforce the codes.

Again, to try to accommodate the Haitians as much as possible.

And American citizens, who haven't been able to afford to leave. They have ended up homeless.

There's encampments that spring up -- sprung up around Springfield.

It's not because of just homeless people, like Los Angeles, that are drugged out.

It's, they can't afford anything else.

And that's their only option.

GLENN: I have to tell you, if this were happening in my city and somebody came to enforce some sort of ordinance, you know, I was building a house. And they were like, you've got to get a permit for this.

Because we have to know for fire safety. I would tell them, go to hell.

When you decide to have everybody if along with your rules.

Then you can come see me. I mean, this is -- this is -- this is a -- a -- a national nuclear bomb, that is about to go off.

People are not going to tolerate this.

You know, I heard a guy yesterday, he was a vet.

And he was in Chicago. And he said, what is happening here?

We have vets on the street!

I'm barely making it.

We have homeless people. You're doing more for these -- these illegals, than you're doing for us.

And then he said, the key words.

He said, you need to do that, for us. As well.

Well, that's universal everything.

And they're pushing us into this.

This is -- you cannot push these cities to the brink like this.

This is Cloward and Piven.

And the result will be Communism. If Kamala has her way.

This is extraordinarily dangerous. What can be done to help Springfield, Julio?

JULIO: Well, that's interesting. Because, again, during the public comment section of the meeting last night.

I would actually say more people spoke in favor of just saying, well, the Haitians are here. There's nothing we can do about it.

We just need to work through it. As opposed to saying, we need to stop accepting Haitians.

GLENN: You've got to be kidding me.

JULIO: So it kind of appears, you know, from -- there's a sizeable amount of people who have just resigned themselves to this new reality.

And it doesn't seem like -- and, you know, obviously, that's just one snapshot of the community. But it -- but I also -- I also think that people are afraid of speaking out on the issue.

Because -- because of the national attention.

And just because of the environment that we're in.

They're afraid they will be called racist. They are afraid they will be called bigoted and everything else.

It's a small town. So everybody knows everybody.

And so I think that's part of the issue. But that in and of itself is a big problem. Because if you're not going to speak out about it. Then the loudest voices will get their way. Right? So in terms of what could be done with Springfield.

Nothing will change. Nothing will change, if Harris takes back the White House. And it's not going to be just Springfield. It will be more -- it will be, yeah, cities across the country.

And so I think it's significant, that -- I started my reporting, on the border crisis. It was always on the border.

And, you know, now we're hearing the end of the Biden/Harris term.

Her term. And I'm having to do immigration stories in America's heartland.

GLENN: Every town is a border town. We've been saying that for years now.

JULIO: At first, it sounded a little corny. You know, it didn't sound very -- but it is -- it is 100 percent true. And it's not just Chicago. It's not just New York City. It's not just Denver.

It is any -- any town can face this, within the next couple of years.

GLENN: Julio, we'll talk to you again, maybe tomorrow.

Thank you so much for the update. I appreciate it.

Julio Rosas. He's TheBlaze media national correspondent.

Now, let me say something. You're not going to fix this. Nothing will change, if you just acquiesce.

If you just go along with it. Well, there's nothing I can do.

Do you see that they're testing you again?

This is like COVID. Wear a mask, 6 feet apart. Stay in your house. No kids going to school.

They're -- they know what they could get away with on that. Now, what are they doing?

They're taking jobs. And giving them to illegals. Without taking care of our own people, first!

And you're just resigned to that?

Nothing will change, in this country. And, you know what, I believe Donald Trump was saved by the Lord. I believe that was a miracle, that he turned his head.

When you see the picture, of the bullet, as he's turning his head, that's a miracle.

It's a miracle that that guy got up, it's a miracle that that guy got up, and said, stand your ground.

Fight!

It's a miracle that that guy goes on stage every day.

He's actually in the fight.

And we're going to say, I don't want to be called racist.

That word has no meaning anymore.

No meaning. No words have meanings. If I may quote my mother, sticks and stones will break your bones.

But words will never hurt you.

You've got to stand up. If you don't, you will get what you deserve.

You will first become part of the problem. And then you will be part and parcel with the wrong side.

You know what's right. You must stand up.

EXCLUSIVE: Trump tells Glenn Beck who's REALLY running the country - and it isn't Biden or Harris

Former President Donald Trump speaks with Glenn Beck in an exclusive interview on the news of the day: Are prominent Democrats like Joe Biden and Bill Clinton sabotaging Kamala Harris’ campaign? Who’s really running the White House? Will Trump recruit Elon Musk to help clear out the Deep State if he wins? Will the 2024 election be secure? Are Democrats the new “hidden Trump vote”? Was he targeted by a third attempted assassin? Is the Secret Service doing its job now? Did Trump ask Biden for anti-missile aircraft? Can Tim Walz look any more fake while loading a shotgun? Can Kamala Harris look any more fake without her teleprompter? Was Bill Clinton right about Laken Riley and illegal immigration? How close are we to nuclear war with Iran, China, or Russia? How would Trump stop Russia’s war in Ukraine and Iran, Hamas, and Hezbollah’s attacks against Israel? Why did the Biden administration let the Taliban take our military equipment during the Afghanistan withdrawal? Trump also explains why he believes Kamala Harris is “against religion…in her bones,” gives insider information on the government-funded program to house illegal immigrants in luxury hotels, and accuses Biden of not doing enough to stop Iran from planning more assassination attempts.

Transcript

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GLENN: Mr. President.

DONALD: Yes. Hi, Glenn.

GLENN: How are you?

DONALD: I'm good. I'm good.

GLENN: I hear you just got off the phone with Elon Musk. How did that go?

DONALD: I did. Oh, he's great. This guy, he's in a world all by himself. He's a fantastic guy. When I saw -- when I saw that rocket ship come down yesterday, I said, you've got to be kidding. The way it landed right -- right where it left, right? He's fantastic.

GLENN: Yeah. We were talking -- I think he is one of the greatest. I mean, Steve Jobs maybe is in his category.

I don't think -- I think he's the greatest mind and -- and not theoretical, actually doing stuff in my lifetime.

DONALD: Absolutely. He gets it done. There's nobody like him. And he's a big supporter. Which makes me feel good. He knows what's going on. He thinks it's the most important election ever.

GLENN: So are you -- have you been serious about allowing him to go in, and look for cuts and everything?

DONALD: Oh, sure.

You know, he's also a great businessman. I'm trying to figure out a better businessman. Or essentially scientist.

And he's faithful. He feels that there's tremendous fraud and waste and abuse.

Tremendous fraud, waste, and abuse.

He feels it's there. And you could save a lot of money.

And make lives better. Okay?

You get more for the buck.

But he feels so -- he doesn't want to be -- he can't do that.

You know, he's got so many things going on.

He wouldn't want to do that. He would like to do something, having to do with the budget.

Because there's tremendous ways to do that.

STU: Oh, yeah.

GLENN: And he's good at finding that.

I mean, the way he runs his companies. I mean, it's tremendous.

DONALD: He's maybe the best at finding it.

Oh, people love it.

And make people's lives better. Actually.

You know, make them better. Not worse.

GLENN: I know. It really is -- is such a statement.

That he's probably the -- the most effective person on the planet, of looking over the horizon, and then bringing tomorrow into today.

And the -- and the left because he likes you, he is -- I mean, they just -- they will shut him down.

DONALD: Yep. They will. They will try.

But he's hard to shut down.

Because he's so advanced. He's in a different playing field.

He's so advanced. You shut him down, you shut the country down, essentially.

Look at Starlink. Starlink in North Carolina. They call it. Any way you can call. And some great people in North Carolina, are suffering.

And, you know, they have no communications, whatsoever.

GLENN: I know.

DONALD: And I called him. And I didn't know much about Starlink. Other than, it's supposed to be good.

I called him. And he edited them immediately.

You know, they delayed him. They delayed him. They put a hold on what he did.

GLENN: I know. We were on the ground.

My charity, Mercury One was on Mercury One. We were one of the first people on the ground.

We were running, at the height, I think we were running 50 helicopters, and we had it all -- you know -- I mean, we had everything.

We were there with Elon's guy, when they started jerking his chain. They even came and tried to shut us down. And our guy looked and said, you know, you don't have a single helicopter here. We're saving people in the mountains. If you were here, maybe a week ago, sure.

But we're not shutting down.

I mean, it's -- it was really tragic, what they did.

DONALD: It's one of the worst rescues ever. And I think in a league with Katrina, which was pretty bad. Some people say it's worse.

GLENN: I think it is.

DONALD: And they actually have people -- private people like you, you go in with helicopters, you want to save people. And they're not -- they didn't let them do it.

GLENN: I know. I know.

DONALD: It's a little different. You can do things.

But, no. It's a terrible thing, Glenn. Terrible, terrible thing.

GLENN: You know, I think that's one of the biggest things. When you say, you know, we will take our country back. One of the biggest things I miss is the ability to just do things, that you feel are right, that are legal.

But to just take control of your own life.

The -- the government has grown so far out of control. It's in every aspect of our life. And it is the problem.

DONALD: And it's the nasty government.

It's a mean government. They weaponize government.

They've done things. And, you know, it's interesting. Because the people aren't very smart.

The people on top, that if they -- they're not on top. It's the people that surround them. They are smart.

And they are vicious.

And they're fascists, and everything else you can be.

It's a nasty group of people.

STU: So somebody is quite smart.

Sometime, historians will look back and say, this was a genius.

It was the biggest heist in human history.

It was horrible. But it was genius.

Who is actually the president, Mr. President?

DONALD: Well, I think it's a committee of people. And they may not even know themselves. Does that make sense?

It's a group of people, that are in different levels of DC.

And they surround a man that was not the most capable person.

GLENN: Yeah.

DONALD: By the way, never was.

But certainly not anymore.

And she's worse than he is. She's worse than he is.

And the difference is, she was a believer.
You know, she was a believer for a long time. She was a Marxist for a long time.

She's further left than Bernie. You've heard that many times.

But she's further left than Pocahontas, okay?

Pocahontas is probably further left than Bernie. I think. I don't know. How you rate them, I would have to go by your scale.

I believe in your scale, maybe more than mine.

But if you think about it, you know, we have some people. And she is considered the most left, in the entire Senate.

And not the smartest. And not by any means, the smartest.

In fact, the opposite.

GLENN: But she is -- I mean, when you say she's worse.

We were talking yesterday, Mike Lee, about, you know, her centerpiece legislation, when she was in the Senate.

Which I think was called do no harm.

And it just dismantles religious freedom.
Just entirely dismantles it.

They are --

DONALD: You know. When we were in a group together. For the audience to know.

We spent a lot of time, yesterday, with the Latter-day Saints, and some incredible people. And people of religion too.

Just people of religion. And she's against religion, and it's in her bones.

She's against religion. And I don't know how people can vote for her. Like, we were talking about -- not so much you talking about -- because we have such a lead there. We were talking about Arizona. And, you know, if you take a look at Arizona.

And I would certainly say Nevada. And you have a lot of Latter-day Saints, Mormons there. And we got -- I think we're at 88 percent. I mean if we got 1 percent more, or 2 percent more, this whole country would turn around. Because if we won those two, we would be in awfully good shape to win the whole thing, as you know. So we spent time together. It was great. And when I mentioned your name, I will say -- I mentioned Glenn's name, everyone in the place went crazy. So they like you. They like you a lot. That was a big audience.

GLENN: Yeah. It was amazing. They're electric. I mean, I -- you at one point, leaned over to me and said, what's your gut say?

And, you know, the -- you know the figures. Better than I do. My gut says, you're accelerating at exactly the right time.

And as I said to you, but for cheating.

DONALD: That's the biggest risk.

GLENN: You've told me, that we've made a lot of good headroom -- headway on that.

DONALD: Well, I think just by nature, that we don't have COVID. They used COVID to cheat. And they did so many things, so many different things.

But just the fact that they didn't get legislative approval. I mean, you don't have to go any further than that.

They actually go for legislative approval. Not get it. Let's say, it's a Republican legislature. Not get it. And then do it anyway.

It was just terrible. They used COVID to cheat.

Now, that, number one, that in and of itself, makes it better now.

But they're a very devious group. And you know it better than anybody.

You talk about it openly. A lot of people, they're afraid to talk about it.

You're not afraid to talk about it.

GLENN: Well, once you've been threatened by George Soros. Once you've been threatened by George Soros. Everything else has kind of, meh.

DONALD: But I've seen his man, Gascon is down by 30 points in a poll.

GLENN: Amen, which is so crazy. It's so crazy. Kamala Harris is cut from that exact same cloth.

DONALD: Yeah. Oh, that's another -- that's a way of talking about it. You know, I had a tremendous rally the night before. The night before yesterday.

And it was unbelievable.

And we -- and you heard it. 140,000 people.

GLENN: Oh, yeah. Coachella.

DONALD: And I said, if we had an honest election.

If we had God coming down to be our vote counter.

Wouldn't it be great if we could ask God to do it? That would be the ultimate vote counter, right? Because you would have honest. But if we had God come down, I think I would do great. I think we would do great in California. I think we would win it.

I think we would win it. You know, they sent out like 38 million ballots, 36 million ballots, they go all over the place. And then they come pouring back.

And it's -- you know, when you go and vote, it's a really good solid state. Where you have -- and they look at you.

And they want your ID. Even if you're Trump.

Could I see your license?

STU: Yeah. Yeah.

GLENN: You really can't get away with it. There's nothing to get away with.

They don't have computerized machines. They have paper ballots.

They have voter ID. And everything else.

Right?

STU: Have you talked to Elon Musk about this? Because I think -- you know this. We can transfer billions of dollars, and not a penny is lost.

We do it all day long. And it's fine.

How come we can't get the technology, to lock this into place?

Especially with block chain?

DONALD: So Elon is the number one for mechanical devices. Including computers. And he said, the only way to do it really safely is with paper ballots. That's something, huh? He said, I consider myself to be the world's greatest expert for all such things. This type of equipment, right? I would say, I would put him in the number one place. When you look at that rocket, the way it landed, I would certainly put him in the number one place.

And, you know, he's --

GLENN: Paper.

DONALD: He's concerned, because those -- you can make things swing. And you can make things do a lot of bad things. He said, but you can't do that with paper ballots. Believe it or not, they have paper now, that's actually very sophisticated.

GLENN: Yeah, yeah.

DONALD: Very highly.

When you hear paper. But it's very sophisticated stuff. But voter ID is very important. And now in California, as you know, better than I do, because you talk about it a lot. But the California things is amazing with Gavin Newsom, where you're not even allowed to ask somebody whether or not they have voter ID. If you do, I think it's a criminal act or something.

GLENN: That's crazy.

DONALD: It's shown our country has gotten totally crazy.

GLENN: You and I were talking the other day about the -- the hidden Trump vote.

And I want to ask you, your thoughts on something. I think there's actually a hidden Trump vote, that is going to come from Democrats. Because they didn't convince people of these policies.

They scared them into it.

They taught them.

Shut your mouth.

And just go along with it. And I think reasonable Democrats are going. This doesn't work.

I don't want my kids being talked to by, you know, a teacher in secret. That's -- that's the sign of a predator. I am paying more for my groceries. I can't do it anymore.

And I think there's a -- a slice of the Democrats, that might tell everybody, they're for Kamala.

But will go in and vote for you. What do you think of that?

DONALD: So I think the biggest thing. You know, you see the polls. And the polls have the economy and inflation. Number one, on inflation. I view them as the same thing in a sense. I think the inflation and economy, you can wrap them up into one.

I actually think, and I may be wrong. But not wrong by much, but I think the biggest thing that people are going to be looking at and voting on is what's happening on our border, where murderers are allowed to come in. Where drug dealers are allowed to come in, and just destroy our country. Literally destroy it.

And inflation is a destroyer of our country too. It's a different kind of a destroyer.

It's not as mean as having guys coming in with machine guns. Yes. Go ahead.

GLENN: Go ahead. Well, I was going to say. I don't know if you've heard this yet. I want to play some audio. This is Bill Clinton, today, talking about Laken Riley. Listen to this.

BILL: You had a case in Georgia, not very long ago. You think about -- about a young woman who had killed by an immigrant.

Yeah. Well, if they had all been properly vetted, that probably wouldn't have happened. But if they all are properly vetted, that doesn't happen. And America is not having enough babies to keep our population up. So we need immigrants, that have been vetted to do work. There wouldn't be a problem.

GLENN: I mean, he sounds like he's campaigning for you.

DONALD: Yeah. Yeah. That's come a long way. You see, that's probably where they're going. Because they were for open borders. No talk. Anybody comes in. Just walk right into our country. Which is insane.

And now, all of a sudden, you hear people talking about, well, we need people to come in. Come in.

But the damage has been done.

We have 21 million people came in. Hundreds and thousands of those people are from prisons and gangs and drug lords and human traffickers and murderers. And they're here.

So we have a problem before -- he's a little late at saying it.

GLENN: I know.

DONALD: Because we have a big problem. We have people in our country that are going to be murdering a lot of people. Laken Riley is a beautiful young lady. I know the parents. I know everything about her. What happened to her is just horrible.

But you have many -- many, many cases, like that. Some you don't hear about that. Aurora is really bad. When you look at what these Venezuelan street gangs have done. They're formed.

And they have taken over buildings. Beautiful buildings.

GLENN: I know.

DONALD: In a very good place. And they're basically in the real estate business. You know, they've taken them over with machine guns, instead of --

GLENN: Right.

J.D. Vance was talking to Martha Raddatz. By the way, brilliant pick.

And she -- he says, Martha, are you listening to yourself? You think this little problem is -- is little?

There are Venezuelan gangs, that are running apartment buildings in America.

It's amazing what these people will try to excuse!

DONALD: Not believable.

JD has been great, by the way.

He's been great.

GLENN: Oh, I love him.

DONALD: And as good as he is, Walz, on the other side, I mean, is this man even a little intelligent? I mean, it's just -- it's just incredible. Those two.

GLENN: I know your son is a hunter. You have to ask him. Play that video of him trying to load the shotgun. I swear to you, I am fairly decent with guns. I would not hunt with that guy. He looks like he's dangerous with a gun. He's never done that. It's crazy.

DONALD: I think he was a horrible pick.

Now, we'll see how it works out on November 5th.

Because one way or the other, if they won, I guess he wasn't a horrible pick. But when I heard they picked him, I couldn't believe it.

And he's only gotten worse. And she's gotten worse too. You know, she's worse than Biden. I really believe that. She's worse than Biden.

And they're fighting like cats and dogs.

GLENN: So you think that's true?

DONALD: Oh, yeah. Well, no. He's angry. Because he got 14 million votes.

He was thrown out. This was an overthrow of a president.

This was an overthrow of an American president.

There's never been anything like that before.

He won the primaries. They came to see him. And they were like, we want you out.

I'm amazed he agreed to it, by the way. The truth is, he looks better than he ever did.

He looks better than he -- for five years. I don't know. Somehow, he didn't play well as president.

But he does play well, the way he's playing against, like with Ron. Ron DeSantis in Florida.

Done a good job. Very good on the hurricane. You know it's a tough job, but he's done a very good job. But the way he went at him, and just got creamed. And Biden who was on-site.

GLENN: I know. That's crazy.

And, you know, with that Bill Clinton clip. I'm just wondering. Are they just like, cutting her loose?

DONALD: No. I think they're trying to steer a different path, now.

I think they're seeing it's not working.

And we have a good run for three weeks.

I think they're seeing it's not working.

She's changed 15 million policies.

You're the all-time pro.

I would say, if you've seen any candidate for high office change two. It would be a lot.

GLENN: Oh, yeah.

Remember, John Kerry, I think changed one or two things.

And he became the waffle man.

DONALD: That's right. No, he did.

And it didn't work. But she's changed 15.

From fracking. To crime. To this. To that.

To borders.

She all of a sudden wants to have a strong border.

And she acts like nothing happened.

Where was she for four years?

I've never seen anything like it. If you go back two years, just go back -- or just go back into their primaries. And listen to what she said and what she voted for.

And now every one of those things have been thrown out.

So I don't know. You know, let's see what happens. I can't imagine, you can get away with it.

But there's another thing that's called competence. And, you know, they tried the threat of democracy with me.

They tried it all. They tried everything.

But let's look at now, their competence. The woman is not a competent person.

GLENN: Uh-huh.

DONALD: And I think far less competent than Biden.

And I never thought I would be saying it. But there's something going on. I mean, I watched her with a teleprompter.

Her teleprompter broke. And she kept going.

GLENN: That was amazing.

DONALD: No. I said, what's going on with her?

GLENN: You've been in television. I've been in television. We know teleprompters. She had no idea what the next sentence was. She was saying 32, as if, hey, prompter person, I'm at the bottom of the page. It was crazy.

DONALD: Yeah.

If that -- and, you know what, she could even say, my teleprompter went off.

GLENN: Yes.

DONALD: And sometimes I do that. And then you go on to make your speech. You can't walk off the stage, right?

But a teleprompter is one of the most unreliable pieces of equipment. I can tell you. Sometimes -- like the crowd we had. That was a big crowd.

The night before, I had 101,000 people. You can lose that stuff. I figure teleprompters go out, 5 percent of the time.

And two or 3 percent of the time, where they're just gone.

GLENN: Jeez.

DONALD: I mean, I've had her blow up the stage. You know, it's windy, they're not very good, because they move like a (inaudible). They're very hard to hold back. They move. If a teleprompter is moving.

And I don't use the teleprompter that much anyway. If a teleprompter is moving.

It's a problem. If you are going to be in politics, you have to be able to, if and when. Because it's when.

But if and when the teleprompter goes, you know this.

You've got to be able to speak. And she was frozen.

And she's lucky that they came back. Because, you know, they snapped back. It's called a snap back. It snapped back for her. And then she started continuing reading.

GLENN: I wish it wouldn't -- I would have loved to see how she would have ended that.

DONALD: Well, I think it would have been a bad thing. She could have done the 321 more time, I'll tell you. She had exhausted the number 32, I can tell you, right?

GLENN: So what -- what frightens -- at least me, is she's not in control.

Biden is not in control. And they're talking about changing our nuclear strategy with Russia.

And I don't know who is making those decisions, and I have to tell you, Mr. President, I mean -- have you read Nuclear War by Annie Jacobson?

DONALD: Yes, I have. Yes.

GLENN: Okay. That's terrifying. I don't know how you would make the decision as president of the United States, that quickly.

DONALD: It's -- it's the biggest single threat -- when these people talk about global warming. And they worry about the ocean will rise in 300 years. By an eighth of an inch.

It's like, it just infuriates.

Now, at the same time, I don't even like talking about nuclear. That's how bad it is.

You know, during my administration, you probably never heard the word nuclear. I purposefully. And now you're hearing it every single day. You're hearing it all the time.

You know who issues it a lot, is Putin now. He's issuing that word a lot. And that will be -- there will never have been anything like that.

The level of power. I'm the one that rebuilt it.

I rebuilt all of our military.

I rebuilt it, at the highest level. In many ways, I hated to have to do the nuclear. But I did. Because we have no choice.

We have other countries. We have five other countries now. As they say, nuclear capable.

And that's too many. That's actually five too many.

The truth is, I think I would have had a deal with Russia. And with China. To denuclearize their stock. I really think we would have had that.

All three of us agreed on it. Conceptually, and I think we would have done that. But COVID came along, and we have to fight that battle.

And we fought it well. Never got credit for it, really. But we fought it well. I got credit for the economy. I got credit for the military. We have knocked out ISIS. Got the biggest tax cuts and regulation cuts and all that. But I never got cut. You know, nobody knew what this was. COVID came in. Was a gift from China.

GLENN: I got to tell you, the way they -- the way they say that you didn't do enough, when they were the ones bitching when you said, I've got to los to China. We can't have this happening. And they called you a bigot and everything. And now they're saying, you didn't close it fast enough.

DONALD: Yeah.

GLENN: Do they really believe the American people are goldfish?

DONALD: Well, the same people. Nancy Pelosi -- crazy Nancy, she was going crazy when I said, if I didn't close it from China then. And you know what, there were 11 people in the room.

And I was the only one that said, I want it closed. And you had to close it. We would have lost probably a couple of million people, more. And we really -- I mean, we would have lost millions of people more, had I not done that.

That was a great move. But nobody knew what this thing was. And everybody got hurt.

You know, proportionally, there were a lot of equals. They all got hurt. China got hurt late in the process.

It looked like China has really skirted the issue. It has really hurt China. It's hurting it right now.

They went to it, very, very -- now, they were different.

They locked them in, and they welded the doors closed.

And they forgot before it happened. You know, people died of starvation. Can you believe it? They welded --

STU: It's China.

GLENN: And then they -- either forgot or something happened, but they didn't unweld them.

It's unbelievable. It's unbelievable. But that was a terrible thing.

GLENN: I have been bitching and complaining about the Secret Service for, hmm. Well, since Obama.

We have -- we have not been protecting our presidents. Rightly -- I mean, my people have gotten around the Secret Service.

However, I will tell you this, this weekend, I have never seen anything like the security that you have around you now.

It is top shelf.

And they said that you asked the president for rocket launchers or something, to protect your plane.

In case somebody shoots a rocket at the plane. Is that true?

DONALD: Uh-huh. Well, I better not get into it.

But they have stronger security around the plane. Very strong security.

STU: I know. I saw it.

GLENN: I mean, they have to -- the one thing we don't have is we don't have a president saying, if some country, Iran, where there's actually a threat.

That if they do anything to -- it's not me. It's the president. You know, former president.

And now leading in both parties, to be president.

If they do anything. We're going to obliterate the country. Because when you say that, that's the end of, they won't do anything.

But we haven't heard that.

But other presidents have issued, you know, like proclamations, as you've probably heard. There were two or three issued, that way, where even rivals.

Rivals were being threatened.

GLENN: Yeah.

DONALD: And certain presidents were able to get up, that if you do this, we will hit you so hard, that you won't have a country left. And when you do that, they say, well, let's take a pass. That's the way that works. But Biden is not -- is not -- I guess not willing to do that.

And that's pretty sad.

I would do it if I were him. I will tell you, if it was reversed, and I was where he was, and it was, you know, him. I would issue such a proclamation.

GLENN: You have to. You have to.

DONALD: You don't have a country.

GLENN: Yeah. You don't. You don't.

The Coachella guy who was -- he says he was a big fan. But they found guns in his car.

I don't know if this reached you. The campaign says, it really wasn't anything.

Local sheriff said, they felt that they had stopped a third assassination attempt. And he -- anything on that?

DONALD: No. I don't know. He said he was a big fan. And I know that. But he had some pretty nasty weapons in his car.

But he was away from the car.

The car was parked a long ways away.

Everybody. The place was.

101 -- I guess more than that.

But over 101,000 people there.

So it was a big crowd. He was very far away. But, you know, when you have that kind of weapons in the car, it's a little. It's not your -- these were not your standard weapon. Let's put it that way. They were not the greatest.

So we're living in a dangerous world. This is a world that is very dangerous. This is a world that is closer to World War III, than we've ever been.

There's never been anything like it.

And the problem like we said, the weaponry is at a level.

I always say, it's not two army tanks running around a field, shooting each other.

This is weaponry, that I know better than everybody every.

Because I see it. I rebuilt it.

And this is weapons. And weaponry, that it's not even imaginable.

And we really need smart people.

In government now.

We just can't go another four years, like we did with Biden. You know, I had Iran wanting to make a deal. They were going to make a deal. I would have a deal done within one weekend of the election.

They were -- they didn't have money.
They were -- there was no Hezbollah.

There was no Hamas. Because there was no fighting.

They couldn't give money.

They were there, but they couldn't give any money.

We had the best situation. He could have made a deal in one week.

And the big part of that deal was no nuclear weapons. Right? That was 90 percent of the deal. You know, I want them to do great. I wanted Iran to do great.

But no, the great people. You know, Iran, they're great people.

I know so many Iranians that are now living in America, and they're like really great people. Smart as can be. And wonderful and warm.

GLENN: Yeah. Yeah.

DONALD: So we don't want to have a problem.

But they were broke. They had no money. I said, nope.

Can't do that. And you know why they had no money? Because of my policy. And they would have made a deal. They would have made a deal. I would have made that deal a week before the election.

And I want them to be really successful.

But one thing, they can't have nuclear weapons. And they're now like a month away from having a nuclear weapon.

That's a big problem. Now, we'll see what's going on with Israel. Who I think their stock has gone up very high, in the last month or so. Their stock has gotten very high as spiders. But it's very, very sad to see what's happened.

That -- that they would allow this to happen. Look, if I were president, Ukraine would not have been attacked by Russia. 100 percent.

GLENN: I know. Boris Johnson just said that. Did you see the Boris Johnson interview?

DONALD: I did. I did.

I saw that. He said, if Trump were there, it would have never happened. And it wouldn't have.

And I got along well with Putin, but it just would have never happened. What a shame. What a different -- you know what else wouldn't have happened?

Inflation. The most embarrassing day in the history of our country, wouldn't have happened, in Afghanistan. Wouldn't have happened.

GLENN: Oh, my gosh. Yeah. You know, you were talking about that the other day. And I have to correct one thing that you said. In Afghanistan, again, my charity was over.

We had the -- we ran the airport, over -- over there.

And we had all of the commercial airplanes, ready to go.

And the State Department kept screwing us.

And, I mean, in the end, we got 21,000 people out. And none of them came to America.

Because we didn't even trust our vetting. But we knew who we were bringing out. The State Department screwed us around, screwed us around.

They actually mocked us, at one point. And said, well, you need one more form. And they came up with a new form.

We said, we don't even know. We haven't heard of that form.

Where do we get it?

At the embassy in Kabul. And we're like, you closed the embassy. They actually laughed and said, I guess you will just have to figure that out.
And hung up on us.

So we finally made a deal with them.

You said, yesterday, they got all of the soldiers out.

No, sir. To get the -- the survivors, that we tried to get out. The 22,000. Our first plane had to be full of American soldiers, that they left behind.

DONALD: Hmm.

GLENN: That is -- that is crazy.

DONALD: What I mentioned was they took the soldiers out early.

The American soldiers.

They left. And we were left without soldiers.

And they should have taken the soldiers out last.

When I spoke to Abdul.

I said, no. You will not do anything more.

They were killing a lot of our soldier.

I know the people. And I had a very tough conversation with them.

From that point on, 18 months, and we didn't have one -- you know that.

GLENN: No, no, no. You can't. You can't.

You have to tell the story about the picture.

You cannot just gloss over this. This is one of the greatest negotiating things I've ever heard.

Tell the whole story.

DONALD: I had a conversation. And it was important to have it.

Because the Taliban. That's where the killing is.

Like I always say, Jesse James. He liked that. And they say, Jesse, Jesse.

Why do you always go after a bank? He said, because that's where the money is. Right? And in this case, the Taliban. Because that's who was doing all the killing in Afghanistan.

You know, that was the kill arm, right?

So I spoke to the head, he's still there.

Abdul. We had a good conversation. Tough conversation. Because they were killing a lot of American soldiers.

And they were with Obama and Biden. But they were really killing a lot of them.

And I got there. They were killing them.

And a lot of snipers.

And I had a conversation, a couple of conversations. But I had a conversation, and I don't want to go graphical into the conversation.

It was a tough conversation.

But you can't really repeat it. It's not appropriate.

And I had a conversation. And I essentially told them, don't do it. Don't do it.

I did have --

GLENN: Can I tell --

DONALD: Yeah. You can tell them. But I did send them something that was interesting. Go ahead.

GLENN: Yeah. So you had a picture of his house. And you said, if any of our soldiers die, I will kill you.

And you put the picture down and slid it across the table. And then you walked out.

I think that's brilliant. Just brilliant.

DONALD: Well, it was a phone conversation. But the phone conversation.

GLENN: Oh, okay.

DONALD: It was sent to him. And he said, but why do you send me a picture of my house?

During the phone conversation.

And I said, that, you'll have to figure out.

GLENN: That's great.

DONALD: We had -- regardless, we had no problem at all.

So we went 18 months, not one American soldier was killed or even shot at. And after 18 months, they did this horrible move.

GLENN: Yeah.

DONALD: And it was so bad. And, you know, we also gave up Bagram. So Bagram is one of the biggest bases in the world. And China is now occupying it. Can you imagine?

The reason I wanted it -- I would never have left that. I was planning on making upgrades.

What happened with Bagram, is it's one hour from where China makes its nuclear weapons. What an asset.

And now China is occupying it. Can you believe it? They give it up. They left it in the dark of night. They left the lights on.

And they left this massive thing, that cost us billions and billions and billions of dollars. The longest runways in the world, very powerful runways. Thick. Like 8 feet thick of concrete. You can land anything on it.

We left -- we just walked away from it.

GLENN: Jeez.

DONALD: And what a great thing. I would have never done that. We were having it staffed up and everything.

We would have left with strength and dignity. It wouldn't have been people falling off of airplanes. Very sad. Very, very sad.

GLENN: They're the --

DONALD: I think it was the most embarrassing day in the history of our country.

GLENN: It was, at least in my lifetime.

It -- we left the -- a lot of our arms and everything else there.

Is it true, they're now one of the largest arms dealers in the world. Selling the arms we left behind?

DONALD: So -- so we left billions and billions and billions of dollars of brand new beautiful equipment. Tanks. Trucks.

Thousands of trucks. Many of them armor-plated. They're million dollar trucks.

GLENN: Why wouldn't we at least blow them up, before we left?

DONALD: Because Milley was stupid. Milley said the same thing to me. I said, I think it's stupid to leave it behind.

I said, when -- if you have an airplane and it's new, and it cost $150 million to build it. You aren't going to put a tank of jet fuel in there and fly it out, to Pakistan, or directly home?

Sir, I think it's cheaper to leave it.

He was such a stupid guy. He was so stupid. He had no common sense. You know expression I say? The Republican Party is the party of common sense. Milley was a stupid guy.

And I can just see him telling that to Biden.

We left all that equipment.

Now if you look three weeks ago. They had a parade. They have a parade every year.

Running the equipment right down the middle of their Boulevard.

All beautiful American trucks.

And all. Mostly armor plated stuff.

Very, very expensive to build.

Very expensive equipment.

Riding it down like in a parade.

Talking about the dumb Americans.

No. What he's done to the country is such a shame. Between the borders and Afghanistan.

And allowing the war. If -- Putin would never have done that war.

Now you look at Ukraine. It's like a tell me litigation site.

The cities are knocked to the ground

Those beautiful golden towers are crushed, and laying on their side.

They were beautiful.

You can never rebuild it. You know, a whole civilization has been lost. Because don't forget, those cities have been obliterated.

GLENN: Oh.

DONALD: So many of them. And it's one thing, peace. What does it mean?

So many people have left. So many people have died.

Many more people have died, in Ukraine. Than they talk about.

You know, they'll have missiles hitting buildings. And they'll say two people were hurt.

You know, the building will collapse. And those are big buildings. Those are buildings, like two, three city blocks. Normal city blocks.

They were big buildings. I was amazed at the size of the apartment. That's what I did for a living, right?

And these were big apartment houses. Fairly tall. And really long.

And they had a lot of people. They were hitting them with missiles. The buildings would collapse. Just collapse down to the ground. And two people were hurt. No, no. Many, many people were killed.

When the death toll is really said in Ukraine, the numbers will be much higher than people think.

GLENN: You just said something that made me think -- and I know you have to go. So we'll keep this short.

You just said, what I do. I build buildings.

And it made me think of the hotels in New York.

That are now trashing their hotels. With illegals.

What's the game here?

What is the --

DONALD: Well, the owners of the hotel are his now operating a different product.

So they used to operate luxury hotels. And now they operate them to get government money. And they're making more money -- they have 100 percent occupancy at room rates, than they ever got.

And illegal migrants, living in the buildings. And you don't want to walk into there, Glenn, because you will probably not have a good chance of getting out. It's rough stuff going on.

I have friends that own these things. And they used to be luxury. And now what they are. They are hotels.

You know, a lot of people won't go back into those hotels too. You know, in terms of --
you're a luxury guest. If that ever comes back.

But these people are making a fortune. All they're doing is sending government bills.

Here's the saddest part. Outside those hotels, the migrants walk into these buildings that were luxury, but are being beat up and destroyed.

You know, there are fights in there all the time.

Rough, rough. These are tough people. These are not -- these are rough, rough people.

They make our criminals look like babies.
But, look, we have our veterans living on the sidewalk, right outside the main entrance. And you have migrants going into the hotels. How about that?

And so the military should never vote for her. And, frankly, I don't think anybody should.

People in religions shouldn't. The Latter-day Saints should not.

That's why we were there.

We want to get that vote.

Will you please get that vote?

GLENN: Okay.

DONALD: I will tell you, you cannot let them vote. Who could vote?

Any religion. I don't know what it is with the Catholics.

But they are really after the Catholics. How can the Catholics vote for them? It's a very sad time.

But we will have more conversations. You have been a great guy.

And you've really been terrific.

GLENN: I mean this, Mr. President. I do this for my children. I will door knock for you.

You just tell me, how I can help. I will be there. Thank you for everything.

DONALD: You keep your voice going. That's the most important thing. You have a very powerful voice. And good voice.

And it's for good. And I appreciate it very much. Thank you very much.

GLENN: You bet. Thank you. You bet, buh-bye.

EXPLAINED: Could Democrats DISQUALIFY Trump if he wins the election?

Democrats like Rep. Jamie Raskin have threatened to use the powers of Congress to keep Donald Trump out of the White House if he wins the 2024 Election. But is it even possible to disqualify him? “MoneyGPT” author James Rickards joins Glenn to explain how this could be done if Trump is declared an insurrectionist and why January 6th, 2025 might be a historic day. Plus, he explains why he believes Americans should prepare for the possibility of an “Acting President JD Vance” …

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GLENN: Jim Rickards, he is the Money GPT author, Strategic Intelligence editor.

He is a guy who historically has been calling all the big ones. All the big disruptions in our society in our economy.

And, Jim, I don't think -- I mean, I've heard you be pessimistic.

I don't think I've heard a more stern warning than the one you're giving right now.

JIM: Well, thanks, Glenn. It's great to be with you. Yeah. I don't think of myself as a pessimist. I'm an analyst.

And I just tried to be realistic. That's kind of bad news. So be it. I try -- and I have a lot of readers and followers. And so forth.

And listeners on our show today.

And I just try to get it right. And I'm looking at the election. Of course, everyone is.

You know, come November 5th, I remind people, the election is pretty much over already, with the early voting and all that. So we know that.

The drop boxes and the mail-ins. So people understand that. But we'll get to November 5th.

I don't think we'll know on November 5th, or even that night or early the next day. You have the usual trouble spots. Philadelphia, Maricopa County. I don't know what's going on there.

But they seemed to ship the ballots off to the warehouse. But beyond that, most Americans are not familiar with the actual electoral calendar, so to speak. And it was devised in the late 18th century. People were like, well, why does it take from November 5th to January 6th, 2025, to figure things out?

Well, you know, back in the 18th century, they got around by horses and carriages and all that. It just took time. But anyway, when you get past that, let's say Trump wins. That's not a short thing. It will be a close election.

But my -- my models show Trump winning. So he gets more than 270 electoral votes. So we come up to December 17th, when they actually count those votes in the state capitols. And there will be disputes and litigation. Let's say we make it. I'm just kind of looking ahead, as far as we can. To January 26, 2025. Everyone is spun up about January 6th, 2021. We know what happened.

But this is January 6th, 2025. Those electoral votes go to the House and the Senate. Now, here's the key. And this is why Trump's campaign in places like New York and California. He's not going to win New York and California. But they're fighting over House seats. Is if the Democrats take the majority of the House of Representatives, which is possible. There are only a four or five-vote difference right now.

Led by Jamie Raskin. They're going to pass a resolution, saying Trump is an insurrectionist under Section 3 of the 14th amendment.

Now, a lot of people say, now, a lot of people say, wait a second. Didn't the Supreme Court throw that out?

Not exactly. Colorado and Maine tried to kick Trump off the ballot on that grounds. It went to the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court said, states cannot do it.

They couldn't do it. Nor could any other state. They explicitly said, there's a federal issue, exactly.

So now you passed this resolution. What happens?

Trump's votes would be disqualified. Let's say he has 300 electoral votes.

And pick a number over 270. Those are disqualified on the grounds of he's an insurrectionist. So then what happens next? Well, now, nobody has 270.

Because in this scenario, Kamala Harris doesn't get 270. Trump does. But he's disqualified.

So now the election goes to the House of Representatives.

This, by the way, is happening before 1800s. 1824, and then 1876. We still can't figure out what happened.

But it has happened before, so but now you flip over for the 14th Amendment, to the 12th Amendment.

I happen to be a lawyer. So enough of a geek to able to read all this stuff. Now you're at the 12th Amendment of 1804. And what does that say?

Well, the House votes could choose the president. There's a couple of caveats. One is they could only vote, someone who got in the top three electoral votes. This is, you know, back in the day.

So maybe three or four people get electoral votes in 1968.

George Wallace got electoral votes in 1968. Top three. But there's only going to be one. If you disqualify Trump, no one else is going to win a state. And Kamala Harris is the only one you could vote for. Because top three. But she would be the top one. Because that's it.

GLENN: Why wouldn't it go to J.D. Vance? Why doesn't he take those?

JIM: Well, I think that's what's going to happen. But you have to sort of follow. The 12th Amendment is a playbook. That's where it will end up. I agree with that. But you have to kind of look at the sequence.

Now, in the House. Here's the interesting part: There are four to five members. But you don't vote by member, you vote by state delegation. So Texas would get one vote. I live in New Hampshire. We would get one vote, the same as Texas. The Republicans control a majority of the state delegations by a bigger margin. They barely control a majority of the House. But when you go by state delegations, it's more like 20, 22.

The Republicans have a substantial majority. But the problem is, you can only rote for Kamala Harris, no matter what. Because nobody else has any electoral votes.

The answer then, 12th Amendment says this, it's for the Republicans that they have the big cajones to go out and stand out on the mall, in the snow.

And then the House will ask it for them, and the 12th Amendment says, you can't do anything what we're talking about, if you don't have a quorum.
If you lack a quorum, then what happens? The 12th Amendment says, the vice president becomes the acting president.

Now, J.D. Vance would not suffer this disqualification, going back to the insurrection.

So J.D. Vance would go become the acting president of the United States. If the House acted for him. And I described this, Glenn. It's all in the 12th Amendment. It's in the 14th Amendment, it's been litigated years past.

It sounds crazy. But just think what we've been through the last months.

You know, two, maybe three assassination attempts.

A coup d'etat on Joe Biden. A nominee who didn't get one vote in two tribes.

Not one vote, in the primary. So there's enough craziness to go around. So, again, I'm just reading the Constitution and applying it. It's happened before. And as in the 1800s, we ended up with Thomas Jefferson and Aaron Burr, who were bitter enemies and opposing parties. But that's what happened.

And here you could have Kamala, J.D. Vance, worst case. Or J.D. Vance is acting as president. If the Republicans walk off the floor, and they lack a quorum.

GLENN: Jeez. This is craziness! You know, one of the reasons we were successful. We had cheap energy. Don't have that anymore. Well-educated populace, we don't really have that anymore. Cheap labor, we don't have that anymore.

And a stable country. If this happens, what happens to the economy?

JIM: Well, the stock market, you know, it can -- there are bull markets and bear markets.

It goes up and down.

The one thing the stock market hates is uncertainty.

What we just described is maximum uncertainty. I give gave you a scenario. Just laid out in the 12th Amendment, 1804. But you can bet that every step that I described, will be litigated in some manner.

So -- and -- and the courts want nothing to do with this. And when you go back to 2020, you know, the New York Times and all these people say, well, there were 15 cases.

And all of them were decided that there was no voter interference. That's not what the court said. The courts dismissed all those cases.

Either on standing, jurisdiction, timeliness. They went to all these procedural things, to get rid of the cases. But the actual fraud was never litigated. They're doing a lot of the forensic analysis since then. And that's just the question that, hey. You, Congress. State -- state legislatures.

You have to figure it out. You don't want to be involved in this. They still feel burned by Bush versus Gore in 2000. Having said that, they have a job to do. And I think these things will end up in their laps.

If you put the courts to one side, and just go by the playbook on the 12th Amendment. Now, this is all what happened in the 1800s, you would have ended up J.D. Vance as acting president.

GLENN: And because the Congress can say, that he's an insurrectionist. You don't need a trial?

I mean, he's never been charged with insurrection.

JIM: Of course. You're right. And I agree completely. But the 13th amendment -- sorry, Section three of the 14th amendment. Hasn't been litigated since -- well, we had the case last summer.

Colorado and Maine.

Before that, you have to go back to the 1930s.

And even -- of course, that was designed.

That came after the Civil War of 1968. It was designed to disqualify confederates and federal officers, et cetera. Over the years.

Section five, section three is the insurrectionist clause. But section five, powers to Congress to make laws, to interpret section three.

They sometimes -- I don't know the exact date, sometime in the 1920s.

Congress granted full amnesty to Robert E. Lee and Jefferson Davis. They said, they were not insurrectionists. So there has been legislation. It's been litigated in recent decades.

If you're willing to cut Robert E. Lee a break. I don't know why they wouldn't do it for Trump.

GLENN: Well, they did that. They did that to heal. That's why we have these statues of Robert E. Lee. The north said, build a statue. These are heroes for you as well.

They didn't prosecute these guys, because they said, we have to come back together, as a nation.

Nobody is going to do that, this time.

JIM: That's exactly right.

The bitterness is where -- sorry to say that. It's there.

By the way, the leader of this. He's open about it. And kind of the Constitution. The legal homework.

The guys said, this is what we're going to do, is Jamie Raskin. Another congressman in Maryland. Most people, they're worried about election fraud on November 5th.

They should be. I think Lara Trump has done a good job. I think they mobilized 500 lawyers. They're on that. Republicans are finally waking up to the fact, that you may not like it, but you have to do it.

But this is much further down the road. This is the endgame. This is the final lawfare attack.

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Kirk Cameron: Christians CAN Save This Country | The Glenn Beck Podcast | Ep 231

Jesus isn’t on the ballot, so how should Christians engage in the 2024 election? For that matter, how should Christians engage in politics in general? Kirk Cameron explains that “Christian Nationalism” is a “slur thrown at people who love God, love their family, and love their country.” Now is no time for Christians to “tuck our heads in our knees, pray for the rapture, and cry into our Chick-fil-A soup.” In an age of “murdering babies in the name of reproductive care,” the mutilation of children for the sake of gender identity, and when too many Americans are being seduced by the “comfort of communism,” it’s time for Christians to get to work. Kirk and Glenn agree, the government shouldn’t be the first responder — not FEMA, not the Department of Education, and not our public schools, which Kirk describes as the “new secular church.” As we’ve seen during Hurricane Helene and Hurricane Milton, we — the American people — are the real first responders. If Kamala Harris is inaugurated in January or Donald Trump, if Jesus returns tomorrow or in a thousand years, these are the “hard times that make strong men” and just could be “our finest hour.”